Neurotherapy

Hi. My daughter was just recently (one week ago) diagnosed with ADHD by our family doctor. I checked podcast and I listened to one with neurotherapy to replace medications. Has anyone tried this? My daughter is so bothered on being dependent on meds for the rest of her life. I am uneducated about this as well. Thank you.

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Hi,

I am trying neurotherapy right now. It was my tenth’ session. I really, really like it an it has a great impact. I also find it strenous or better tir
ing.
But I think, you can not compare my situation to your daughters. Being fifty years of age, it brings up a lot of situations and realizations from my past. I start reflecting all my former behavior and reactions/feedbacks and that is quite a lot.

I can say it really helps, but even though it seems so “easy and simple” it is exhausting and I need to take it slow after a session. Right now (yesterday) I have additionally started medication (Elvanse). If I wouldn’t have to stand my woman everyday, I would have given me more time for the process. So that it makes sense to you: I am struggling since quite some time, but was just diagnosed when I was 49. If you haver more questions concerning neurotherapy, please ask. I like some exchange about that topic.

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Hello, I think you should consider a combined approach of medication and therapy, it is what works best for most ADHD people. A trial of meds would show if they are of any benefit in the near future, where as therapy will take more time to be effective. If your daughter does start with medication, she can decide whether to continue or stop taking them at any time.

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I would agree with this. In the research and ADHD treatment guidelines, medications are typically the first line treatment but therapies can be added on. Therapies don’t have as much evidence as being effective but they are still helpful, especially if they help address issues of executive functioning, behavior, and self-esteem. It’s always best to optimize treatments with the best combination.

That being said, there may be reasons you’re not interested in medication at this time. I’d suggest maybe exploring those reasons a bit more and talk with your provider to see if medication as well could be helpful. I’d also ask your daughter what she wants.

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Hey Neil, hey Theresa, I can not give any medical advice at all, but concerning the combination of Neurotherapie/Neurofeedback my therapist said, that he would rather not have it combined with medication. Unless it is a steady medication. This is because, he can not measure the effect of the brainstimulation through neurofeedback as long as there are changes made in medication. It would be easier to adjust the neurotherapie without medication. I don’t know how old your daughter is, but I would very much say she should try to find what she feels best with and talk to the people who treat her.

I had a neurotherapy session today and I find it unbelievable how strong the impact is. But that again is just me.

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She’s 19. And I’m also worried coz she’s going to university again this fall (7hours away from me) - worried if she might not be religious on taking her meds (Trazodone and Vyvanse).
But what she wants is to be off the meds soon. But our family doctor prescribed her those meds for 90days. She’s going to have a session with a therapist for Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. I hope she can ask the therapist.
Thank you so much for all your responses.

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Hello @annamaria, it is interesting to see your experience with this therapy.

@Theresa Is your daughter starting both these medications at the same time?
The best thing I can suggest is for your daughter to trial the meds up until she is getting ready to go back to university and then she can make an informed decision. That’s my gut feeling as I know so little about the situation it’s very difficult to give advice. I hope you find a solution that works out for her and you.

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@Theresa Dear Theresa, so your daughter is an adult. So nice she has you on her side to talk about the decisions she makes. It is understandable you worry when she goes to university. I believe the best support you can give her is to let go a bit (which is not easy even if the child is neurotypical, I know myself) and tell her she can be open at all times. She will realize best how much it effects her, when she forgets to take her medication regularly. My question still would be why she wants to get of the meds. I believe that is worth “analyzing” for her. Is it being trapped in believing meds are bad in general, is it stigma, side affects, or maybe they are actually not right for her, do they help?.. I say so, because for years and years I didn’tt want to take them just because I was scared. So many strange myths being around, such a stigma. Jessicas videos actually helped me getting straight with the idea of “being druggeed” Concerning the therapy, we might have had a misunderstanding. I was talking about Neurofeedback ( NFB ), also called neurotherapy or neurobiofeedback , a type of biofeedback that uses real-time displays of brain activity—most commonly (EEG)—in an attempt to teach self-regulation of brain function. This type of therapy I could understand why my therapist said works better when there are no changes in medication at the same time. And works more direct when there is no medication at all. I personally believe cognitive Behavioral Therapy is something she should not worry at all combining with medication. Actually I think, I for myself wasted/spend too much time in therapy (cognitive behavioral and analytical) without medication,. Those might have been more fruitful if my mind would have been less distracted and I could have been more attentive. Worst are the years spend (lost) with analysis in which the wandering off of the mind and other adhd symptoms were interpreted as avoidance and trauma. I think it is so important that your daughter can speak openly about the ADHD and her thoughts and listen to her gut feelings. I wish you both the very best.

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My first and only ADHD specific treatment was neurotherapy some 10+ yr ago, I’m now 51.

tl;dr

plus sides:

  • my coordination, handwriting have improved.
  • I know what mindful meditation should ‘feel like’

big minuses:

  • the monetary cost. Sessions we’re not cheap, as my wife reminds me to this day.
  • time consuming, for me it was 2-3, 40 min sessions a week with 40 min travel either side, so a lot of time off work; not too bad in Australia with our ample leave arrangements but still made me a part timer for a period of about 3-5 months, I forget because …
  • no CBT or other complementary/complimentary therapy so I went away feeling that I was ‘fixed’, but upon reflection it feels like ‘fixed’ in the way that a splayed/de-sexed dog or cat might be.

Background and context:

The first time I got the ADHD/ADD diagnosis (by the neurotherapist) it was because my overwhelm expressed/expresses itself as woeful emotional disregulation, getting angry at everyone, luckily not physically violent towards anyone, just walls and my own clothing.

Not having the therapy supplemented by CBT meant that after the treatment lead to having a total lack of any coping strategy, other than my own charm and wit (combined with the total lack of self-awareness :wink: ), leading to the inevitable loss of co-worker/boss respect - and an eventual redundancy - again not all bad - 10+ years was a substantial payout and landed a PhD scholarship in renewable energy integration.

So one door closed, another opened. The trick, I think, is to to keep moving and smile.

The problem was, that 10 years (or 6 months in my ADD mind #now-notnow) later I’m finding myself in the same predicaments, I’m currently seeing a CBT specialist and there are things that are getting identified, and mended.

I’m going to seek out medication options, but there are waiting lists and I guess I’ve made it this far on my own so maybe there are ppl that need that help more than I do.

As we all know all of this only applies to me as results may vary based on personal circumstances etc.

Ultimately it comes down to this one thing I learned in the Engineering orientation week lecture back in the late stages of the first millennium (circa 1987)

``the hardest part to finding a solution that works, is identifying the problem.’'

… and in my case, remembering what the root cause of that problem really is.

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